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Moving away from SourceForge

Bram Moolenaar

The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows
again that this is not a good place to host Vim.

I have an offer to move to osdn.net, which should provide us with a
similar service, but better.  It should then also be possible to use
https://www.vim.org.

If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net,
let's discuss that.


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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Christian J. Robinson-2
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

> The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge
> shows again that this is not a good place to host Vim.

[...]

> If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net,
> let's discuss that.

I think this move is the right choice even without the outage.
SourceForge's current owners/leadership has been engaged in behaviors
that are antithetical to the original mission of the service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies

- Christian

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

George V. Reilly
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Christian J. Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows again that this is not a good place to host Vim.

[...]

If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net, let's discuss that.

I think this move is the right choice even without the outage. SourceForge's current owners/leadership has been engaged in behaviors that are antithetical to the original mission of the service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies

Can you actually run a custom website on osdn.net? Both the Project Web Servers (e.g., http://peazip.osdn.jp/) and the Project Top Page/Dashboard (e.g., https://osdn.net/projects/peazip/) make it look like you can't.

Vim.org is a PHP-based website, but is it actually using any server-side code? If it's static HTML, then GitHub Pages is quite satisfactory.

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Bailey Stoner
Although I completely think moving away from SourceForge is a good idea for any project, it’s worth noting that SourceForge was acquired in 2012 (after the adware thing) so their current leadership probably isn’t to blame.


16. Feb 2018 11:38 by [hidden email]:

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Christian J. Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows again that this is not a good place to host Vim.

[...]

If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net, let's discuss that.

I think this move is the right choice even without the outage. SourceForge's current owners/leadership has been engaged in behaviors that are antithetical to the original mission of the service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies

Can you actually run a custom website on osdn.net? Both the Project Web Servers (e.g., http://peazip.osdn.jp/) and the Project Top Page/Dashboard (e.g., https://osdn.net/projects/peazip/) make it look like you can't.

Vim.org is a PHP-based website, but is it actually using any server-side code? If it's static HTML, then GitHub Pages is quite satisfactory.

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Bram Moolenaar
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George Reilly wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Christian J. Robinson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:
> >
> > The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows
> >> again that this is not a good place to host Vim.
> >>
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net, let's
> >> discuss that.
> >>
> >
> > I think this move is the right choice even without the outage.
> > SourceForge's current owners/leadership has been engaged in behaviors that
> > are antithetical to the original mission of the service:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies

That was before SourceForge was taken over by another company.
Anyway, the current outage proves that the quality of service is not
good.

> Can you actually run a custom website on osdn.net? Both the Project Web
> Servers (e.g., http://peazip.osdn.jp/) and the Project Top Page/Dashboard
> (e.g., https://osdn.net/projects/peazip/) make it look like you can't.
>
> Vim.org is a PHP-based website, but is it actually using any server-side
> code? If it's static HTML, then GitHub Pages is quite satisfactory.

I've been told it should be possible to run PHP and MySQL on osdn.net.
The database access is essential in the current setup.

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Christian Brabandt
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On Fr, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

>
> The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows
> again that this is not a good place to host Vim.
>
> I have an offer to move to osdn.net, which should provide us with a
> similar service, but better.  It should then also be possible to use
> https://www.vim.org.
>
> If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net,
> let's discuss that.

I have no experience with osdn.net, but I think everything is better
than sf.net. Hopefully service is reliable there and you won't have much
trouble with setting up all required things. Good luck with it.

If I can help with anything, you know how to reach me

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Niels Kobschaetzki
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On 16. Feb 2018, at 20:17, Christian J. Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

The recent (and ongoing) outage of the Vim website on SourceForge shows again that this is not a good place to host Vim.

[...]

If you have positive or negative comments about moving to osdn.net, let's discuss that.

I think this move is the right choice even without the outage. SourceForge's current owners/leadership has been engaged in behaviors that are antithetical to the original mission of the service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies

I have no problem with the change Sourceforge changed owners since then and they didn’t like those things either. From the same Wikipedia-article about Sourceforge and DevShare:

The program was cancelled by new owners BIZX, LLC on February 9, 2016;[10] on May 17, 2016 they announced that it would scan all projects for malware and display warnings on downloads.“

Niels

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Re: Moving away from SourceForge

Charles Sheridan
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Currently at 09h50 CST from Safari on a mac, http://www.vim.org gets

   Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0

   Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/home/project-web/vim/htdocs/index.php'
   (include_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0

Chrome gets to the site, but hitting the add script button results in a white browser screen hang at
https://vim.sourceforge.io/scripts/add_script.php

Nothing new posted on sourceforge blog.

Charles

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