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Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Roland Koebler
Hi,

in earlier ViM-versions, :bdel could be used to close directory listings,
and e.g. :bn could be used to switch away from the directory listing to
the next buffer.
But with newer versions, this unfortunately does not work anymore, which
makes it really cumbersome to e.g. view/edit all files in a directory by
"vim *".

Is there a way to fix this?
So, that I e.g. can do "vim *", and then close directory-listings with
":bdel" or switch away from a directory-listing by ":bn"?

best regards,
Roland

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Christian Brabandt

On Do, 08 Okt 2020, Roland Freikamp wrote:

> Hi,
>
> in earlier ViM-versions, :bdel could be used to close directory listings,
> and e.g. :bn could be used to switch away from the directory listing to
> the next buffer.
> But with newer versions, this unfortunately does not work anymore, which
> makes it really cumbersome to e.g. view/edit all files in a directory by
> "vim *".
>
> Is there a way to fix this?
> So, that I e.g. can do "vim *", and then close directory-listings with
> ":bdel" or switch away from a directory-listing by ":bn"?

Hm, indeed, it looks like you need to run :bd twice. Not sure what is
causing this. For me :bd! also works. You might want to contact Dr. Chip
about this issue.

Best,
Christian
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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Charles Campbell-2
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Roland Freikamp wrote:

> Hi,
>
> in earlier ViM-versions, :bdel could be used to close directory listings,
> and e.g. :bn could be used to switch away from the directory listing to
> the next buffer.
> But with newer versions, this unfortunately does not work anymore, which
> makes it really cumbersome to e.g. view/edit all files in a directory by
> "vim *".
>
> Is there a way to fix this?
> So, that I e.g. can do "vim *", and then close directory-listings with
> ":bdel" or switch away from a directory-listing by ":bn"?
>
Hello:

Let me explain why it is that the netrw buffer is (normally) hidden. 
Originally netrw was written to handle file transfers over the network
via ftp, ssh, etc, and it still does.  The next major feature was to
have netrw display and work with remote directories; Bram asked me to
have it do the same thing for local directories. Often enough one does
not have password-free setups to do remote work, and so one can get
pestered by the resulting need to have to enter passwords for every
remote listing/file transfer/etc. To facilitate this, netrw supports
"fastbrowse" (see :he g:netrw_fastbrowse) which keeps netrw listings
hidden rather than destroying them; subsequent requests to re-list a
directory then just bring up the appropriate hidden file instead.

See :he 'bh' and, while in a netrw listing, try :set bh; you'll find
that netrw has bh=hide. You can use :bd! to force a real deletion of a
directory as opposed to just hiding it.

Alternatively, you can put let g:netrw_fastbrowse=0 and :bd will then
truly delete the netrw buffer -- if you have v171a (or later) of netrw.
It was already supposed to be deletable when g:netrw_fastbrowse was
zero, but s:NetrwSafeSetting() needed an update to force that "safe"
setting for netrw buffers (hence v171a).

You can get v171a from my website:
http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW .

Regards,
Chip Campbell

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Dominique Pellé
Charles Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You can get v171a from my website:
> http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW .

Hi Charles

The above URL and your website http://www.drchip.org/
do not work for me somehow. I get "The connection has
timed out".  It does not look like a temporary outage, since
I remember trying a few  weeks ago and it did not work either.
I cannot ping www.drchip.org either.

Regards
Dominique

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Richard Mitchell

On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 6:28:55 PM UTC-4, Dominique Pelle wrote:
Charles Campbell <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="5Lk0MeJgCgAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;">camp...@...> wrote:

> You can get v171a from my website:
> <a href="http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2Fastronaut%2Fvim%2Findex.html%23NETRW\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHoEMooRQBYqziD_7IpDqEZzJ887Q&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2Fastronaut%2Fvim%2Findex.html%23NETRW\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHoEMooRQBYqziD_7IpDqEZzJ887Q&#39;;return true;">http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW .

Hi Charles

The above URL and your website <a href="http://www.drchip.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFn7yeCPO7bXm0OMaNZ_vlj1LB-Fg&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFn7yeCPO7bXm0OMaNZ_vlj1LB-Fg&#39;;return true;">http://www.drchip.org/
do not work for me somehow. I get "The connection has
timed out".  It does not look like a temporary outage, since
I remember trying a few  weeks ago and it did not work either.
I cannot ping <a href="http://www.drchip.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNH31qffZQlp9b9Ugf0RLzDOUX5uHg&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNH31qffZQlp9b9Ugf0RLzDOUX5uHg&#39;;return true;">www.drchip.org either.

Regards
Dominique


Works for me.  DNS shows:

www.drchip.org is an alias for drchip.org.
drchip.org has address 67.23.226.159
drchip.org mail is handled by 0 drchip.org.

 

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Charles Campbell-2
Richard Mitchell wrote:

On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 6:28:55 PM UTC-4, Dominique Pelle wrote:
Charles Campbell <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="5Lk0MeJgCgAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;" moz-do-not-send="true">camp...@...> wrote:

> You can get v171a from my website:
> <a href="http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2Fastronaut%2Fvim%2Findex.html%23NETRW\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHoEMooRQBYqziD_7IpDqEZzJ887Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2Fastronaut%2Fvim%2Findex.html%23NETRW\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHoEMooRQBYqziD_7IpDqEZzJ887Q';return true;" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW .

Hi Charles

The above URL and your website <a href="http://www.drchip.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFn7yeCPO7bXm0OMaNZ_vlj1LB-Fg';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFn7yeCPO7bXm0OMaNZ_vlj1LB-Fg';return true;" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.drchip.org/
do not work for me somehow. I get "The connection has
timed out".  It does not look like a temporary outage, since
I remember trying a few  weeks ago and it did not work either.
I cannot ping <a href="http://www.drchip.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNH31qffZQlp9b9Ugf0RLzDOUX5uHg';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.drchip.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNH31qffZQlp9b9Ugf0RLzDOUX5uHg';return true;" moz-do-not-send="true">www.drchip.org either.

Regards
Dominique


Works for me.  DNS shows:

www.drchip.org is an alias for drchip.org.
drchip.org has address 67.23.226.159
drchip.org mail is handled by 0 drchip.org.

Richard's results look like what I see with nslookup:
www.drchip.org    canonical name = drchip.org.
Name:    drchip.org
Address: 67.23.226.159

That's been my website for years, too. Perhaps you can try traceroute and find out what's dropping the link.

Chip Campbell

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Tony Mechelynck
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 12:28 AM Dominique Pellé
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Charles Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > You can get v171a from my website:
> > http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/index.html#NETRW .
>
> Hi Charles
>
> The above URL and your website http://www.drchip.org/
> do not work for me somehow. I get "The connection has
> timed out".  It does not look like a temporary outage, since
> I remember trying a few  weeks ago and it did not work either.
> I cannot ping www.drchip.org either.
>
> Regards
> Dominique

I just tried http://www.drchip.org/astronaut/vim/ (which has been for
years the link from my Vim page to Dr. Chip's) and it came up
immediately with no problem.

You might want to bookmark the site "Down for everyone or just for
me?" https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

Best regards,
Tony.

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Tony Mechelynck
P.S. I can get (from Belgium) to Dr. Chip's site with no problem but
downforeveryoneorjustme.com cannot.

Best regards,
Tony.

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Tony Mechelynck
On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 11:29 AM Tony Mechelynck
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> P.S. I can get (from Belgium) to Dr. Chip's site with no problem but
> downforeveryoneorjustme.com cannot.
>
> Best regards,
> Tony.

P.P.S. I tried to Cc Dr. Chip on the above message but I got a bounce:
"drchip wasn't found at campbellfamily.biz"

That message was headed "Office365" and its From: line was
[hidden email]

Best regards,
Tony.

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Richard Mitchell


On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-4, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 11:29 AM Tony Mechelynck
<<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="td3WHIGFCgAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;">antoine....@...> wrote:
>
> P.S. I can get (from Belgium) to Dr. Chip's site with no problem but
> <a href="http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdownforeveryoneorjustme.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGgx8jD2lHB9hDbWkF90qkruBZDxw&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdownforeveryoneorjustme.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGgx8jD2lHB9hDbWkF90qkruBZDxw&#39;;return true;">downforeveryoneorjustme.com cannot.
>
> Best regards,
> Tony.

P.P.S. I tried to Cc Dr. Chip on the above message but I got a bounce:
"drchip wasn't found at <a href="http://campbellfamily.biz" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fcampbellfamily.biz\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG3xX5J1jXDYtnrPE6RShcHj6MVKw&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fcampbellfamily.biz\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG3xX5J1jXDYtnrPE6RShcHj6MVKw&#39;;return true;">campbellfamily.biz"

That message was headed "Office365" and its From: line was
<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="td3WHIGFCgAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;">postm...@ekghgbhkzak1qwzjttzjlplcfcx.onmicrosoft.com

Best regards,
Tony.

I am intrigued DrChip.org failed for your test site.  It worked for "me".

<img src="blob:https://groups.google.com/94c06d1d-a708-4ed1-ae63-6e1730635e3f" style="" width="200" height="102"> 

I wonder if the dns server i'm using had a long TTL.  Currently I show:

;; ANSWER SECTION:
drchip.org. 14374 IN A 67.23.226.159

so, I have 14374 seconds to go before it updates again.
However, as Chip as already weighed in, if he had recently changed
anything, he certainly would have said so and he didn't.

I want to make it clear I never doubted Dominque was having a real issue
and was hoping the IP address would give him a work around and something
to check against his own query.

campbellfamily.biz. 3600 IN A 66.96.149.21

uses a different registrar and name servers.  doesn't mean anything, just an observation.


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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Charles Campbell-2
Richard Mitchell wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-4, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>
>     On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 11:29 AM Tony Mechelynck
>     <[hidden email] <javascript:>> wrote:
>     >
>     > P.S. I can get (from Belgium) to Dr. Chip's site with no problem
>     but
>     > downforeveryoneorjustme.com <http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com>
>     cannot.
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     > Tony.
>
>     P.P.S. I tried to Cc Dr. Chip on the above message but I got a
>     bounce:
>     "drchip wasn't found at campbellfamily.biz
>     <http://campbellfamily.biz>"
>
>     That message was headed "Office365" and its From: line was
>     [hidden email] <javascript:>
>
>     Best regards,
>     Tony.
>
>
> I am intrigued DrChip.org failed for your test site.  It worked for "me".
>
> I wonder if the dns server i'm using had a long TTL.  Currently I show:
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> drchip.org.14374INA67.23.226.159
>
> so, I have 14374 seconds to go before it updates again.
> However, as Chip as already weighed in, if he had recently changed
> anything, he certainly would have said so and he didn't.
>
> I want to make it clear I never doubted Dominque was having a real issue
> and was hoping the IP address would give him a work around and something
> to check against his own query.
>
> campbellfamily.biz.3600INA66.96.149.21
>
> uses a different registrar and name servers.  doesn't mean anything,
> just an observation.
>
Some random thoughts in no particular order:

My email now is: [hidden email]-NOSPAM (ie. remove the NOSPAM
from the address).

It used to be [hidden email], though. I updated all the
syntax files I support with it but then I updated syntax/vim.vim, and my
script for the auto-generated portion hadn't been updated and I'm afraid
I didn't notice and so syntax/vim.vim got left with a stale address. 
I've fixed that just this past week.

I myself didn't know that the www. in www.drchip.org was optional. I
doubt that I can train my fingers to skip typing the www. .

14374 seconds -- well, that's only four hours!  What's the rush? :)

I just tried Tony's suggestion:https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
and it worked, both with www.drchip.org and with drchip.org.

Dominique -- did using the ip address directly help?  What did
traceroute show? Does nslookup get the ip address?

Regards,
Chip Campbell

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Re: Use :bdel to close directory listing?

Tony Mechelynck
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 6:42 PM Charles Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> My email now is: [hidden email]-NOSPAM (ie. remove the NOSPAM
> from the address).
>
> It used to be [hidden email], though. I updated all the
> syntax files I support with it but then I updated syntax/vim.vim, and my
> script for the auto-generated portion hadn't been updated and I'm afraid
> I didn't notice and so syntax/vim.vim got left with a stale address.
> I've fixed that just this past week.
[…]

Aha! Time to update my list of contacts then.

Best regards,
Tony.

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