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ezmlm is broken; it can't unsibscribe me, it seems

Eben Oldmixon
I VERY much hate to bother the while list, but I do not know how else
to draw attention to the shortcomings of ezmlm.  I have tried to
unsubscribe from the mailing list for about three months, now, but
unsucessfully.

First, I tried to dodge the flood of news (which I like but which was
hiding email that I actually needed) by starting a new account and
telling ezmlm to unsubscribe me from the one that it had and then
telling it to start using the new account; that worked from ezmlm's
end, as I recall, but it turned out that Eudora downloaded both
accounts anyway, so the flood continued.

Second, I tried to unsubscribe the new account name.  exmlm said that
it could not find that name on its list.  After going back and forth
with ezmlm, trying escalating levels of unsubscribing that it
recommended, I closed the new account.  ezmlm was not discouraged; it
went right on sending the news, but to the original account.

Third, I tried to unsubscribe the original account from the dev-list,
not with much hope of success (see above).  ezmlm responded with a
"GOODBYE" message.

Here's what the message said:
===============
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
[hidden email] mailing list.

Acknowledgment: I have removed the address

    [hidden email]

from the vim mailing list. This address
is no longer a subscriber.
================

Fourth, news continues to come to that address unabated (as they
say).  And here we are.

Somewhere in there I also wrote, presumably, to a human supervising
ezmlm, but that accomplished nothing that I could see.

I remember a series of exchanges last year between a
lurker-turned-flamer and this list, but the gist of the group's
messages was "Just follow the instructions to ezmlm and everything
will be OK."  No, it will not necessarily be OK.  Something in ezmlm is broken.

I would very much like in the the future to be able to turn on the
list, ask a question, and turn off the list when my question is
addressed, but with ezmlm acting like this, who knows what might
happen; multiple copies of the list knocking down levees and flooding
small cities?  The Sorceror's Apprentice?

Best wishes to all,

Eben Oldmixon


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Re: ezmlm is broken; it can't unsibscribe me, it seems

Matthew Winn
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:34:34PM -0400, Eben Oldmixon wrote:
> Fourth, news continues to come to that address unabated (as they
> say).  And here we are.

Are you certain the messages are coming to the address you think they're
coming to?  If you check the message headers the first of the Received
lines may say something like this (from my own mailbox):

Received: from [some machine and IP address here]
        by soc.aniteps.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BMlfw6008636
        for <[hidden email]>; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:47:41 +0100

             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's the address the message was sent to, even though that's not the
address on messages I send out.  It's an old address that is processed
by the same server and ends up in my main account.  If I wanted to
unsubscribe from that list I'd have to send out a message with the old
address on it.

(Unfortunately there's no requirement for the Received header to include
that information so it may not work for you.)

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Re: ezmlm is broken; it can't unsibscribe me, it seems

Eben Oldmixon
At 03:15 AM 4/12/2006, Matthew Winn wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:34:34PM -0400, Eben Oldmixon wrote:
> > Fourth, news continues to come to that address unabated (as they
> > say).  And here we are.
>
>Are you certain the messages are coming to the address you think they're
>coming to?  If you check the message headers the first of the Received
>lines may say something like this (from my own mailbox):
>
>Received: from [some machine and IP address here]
>         by soc.aniteps.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BMlfw6008636
>         for <[hidden email]>; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:47:41 +0100
>
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That's the address the message was sent to, even though that's not the
>address on messages I send out.  It's an old address that is processed
>by the same server and ends up in my main account.  If I wanted to
>unsubscribe from that list I'd have to send out a message with the old
>address on it.

Dear Matthew,

Here's the very top of the "blah-blah" (Eudora's term for it ...)
material in the header:
===============
Return-path: <vim-dev-return-33905-skrivare=[hidden email]>
Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
  (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
  with ESMTP id <[hidden email]> for
  [hidden email]; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:15:51 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from foobar.math.fu-berlin.de
  (foobar.math.fu-berlin.de [160.45.45.151]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
  with SMTP id <[hidden email]> for
  [hidden email] (ORCPT [hidden email]); Wed,
  12 Apr 2006 03:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
===============

I do not know how to interpret email headers --- let me admit that up
front.  However, does that ORCPT term suggest something along the
lines you mention?  Note, though, that there is no other account
involved now except for <[hidden email]>.

And I am still getting flooded.

Thanks,

Eben


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Matthew Winn
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:26:43PM -0400, Eben Oldmixon wrote:

> Here's the very top of the "blah-blah" (Eudora's term for it ...)
> material in the header:
> ===============
> Return-path: <vim-dev-return-33905-skrivare=[hidden email]>
> Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>  (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
>  with ESMTP id <[hidden email]> for
>  [hidden email]; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:15:51 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from foobar.math.fu-berlin.de
>  (foobar.math.fu-berlin.de [160.45.45.151]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
>  with SMTP id <[hidden email]> for
>  [hidden email] (ORCPT [hidden email]); Wed,
>  12 Apr 2006 03:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
> ===============
>
> I do not know how to interpret email headers --- let me admit that up
> front.  However, does that ORCPT term suggest something along the
> lines you mention?  Note, though, that there is no other account
> involved now except for <[hidden email]>.

Those headers look correct to me, so it does seem as though the mailing
list thinks your address is the one you're currently using.  Oh well, it
was just an idea and it turned out to be wrong :-(

I think you're going to need to be removed from the list manually.

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Eben Oldmixon
M. Winn says below, "I think you are going to have to be removed from
the list manually."

I think so too, and have asked vim-owner to do so, but no one has
acted, apparently.

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DO THIS SIMPLE ACT OF MAINTENANCE?

THANK YOU!

Eben Oldmixon


At 03:16 AM 4/13/2006, Matthew Winn wrote:

>On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:26:43PM -0400, Eben Oldmixon wrote:
> > Here's the very top of the "blah-blah" (Eudora's term for it ...)
> > material in the header:
> > ===============
> > Return-path: <vim-dev-return-33905-skrivare=[hidden email]>
> > Received: from mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
> >  (mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.101]) by mstr8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
> >  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
> >  with ESMTP id <[hidden email]> for
> >  [hidden email]; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:15:51 -0400 (EDT)
> > Received: from foobar.math.fu-berlin.de
> >  (foobar.math.fu-berlin.de [160.45.45.151]) by mta30.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
> >  (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
> >  with SMTP id <[hidden email]> for
> >  [hidden email] (ORCPT [hidden email]); Wed,
> >  12 Apr 2006 03:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
> > ===============
> >
> > I do not know how to interpret email headers --- let me admit that up
> > front.  However, does that ORCPT term suggest something along the
> > lines you mention?  Note, though, that there is no other account
> > involved now except for <[hidden email]>.
>
>Those headers look correct to me, so it does seem as though the mailing
>list thinks your address is the one you're currently using.  Oh well, it
>was just an idea and it turned out to be wrong :-(
>
>I think you're going to need to be removed from the list manually.
>
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>
>
>
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